1 00:00:02,860 --> 00:00:07,829 [Music] 2 00:00:13,910 --> 00:00:11,589 hello and welcome to episode number 65 3 00:00:18,630 --> 00:00:13,920 of the point of convergence podcast 4 00:00:21,029 --> 00:00:18,640 as always i am your host exo academian 5 00:00:24,230 --> 00:00:21,039 in the long history of the modern ufo 6 00:00:27,429 --> 00:00:24,240 phenomenon a key and iconic moment 7 00:00:29,509 --> 00:00:27,439 stands out as a particular import 8 00:00:31,910 --> 00:00:29,519 i speak of a rumored crash of a 9 00:00:34,470 --> 00:00:31,920 sophisticated aerial vehicle in the 10 00:00:36,950 --> 00:00:34,480 desert terrain near roswell new mexico 11 00:00:38,549 --> 00:00:36,960 in 1947. 12 00:00:40,630 --> 00:00:38,559 the event prompted an initial 13 00:00:42,630 --> 00:00:40,640 acknowledgement by the government that 14 00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:42,640 this was indeed a moment of the greatest 15 00:00:48,069 --> 00:00:45,200 significance the crash of an actual 16 00:00:50,389 --> 00:00:48,079 alien craft apparently not of this world 17 00:00:52,470 --> 00:00:50,399 and piloted by beings of a decidedly 18 00:00:54,790 --> 00:00:52,480 non-human nature 19 00:00:56,950 --> 00:00:54,800 of course as many of us now know 20 00:00:59,670 --> 00:00:56,960 that initial acknowledgement was quickly 21 00:01:01,990 --> 00:00:59,680 retracted giving rise to a series of 22 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:02,000 ever more mundane and suspect 23 00:01:05,670 --> 00:01:03,600 explanations 24 00:01:06,789 --> 00:01:05,680 involving a downed weather balloon and 25 00:01:08,550 --> 00:01:06,799 the like 26 00:01:11,190 --> 00:01:08,560 and when rumors spread that the crashed 27 00:01:13,109 --> 00:01:11,200 vehicle included actual entities the 28 00:01:15,990 --> 00:01:13,119 cover story was that these were merely 29 00:01:18,230 --> 00:01:16,000 crash test dummies mistaken for living 30 00:01:19,590 --> 00:01:18,240 breathing beings of extraterrestrial 31 00:01:22,230 --> 00:01:19,600 origin 32 00:01:24,550 --> 00:01:22,240 while many deeply invested in ufological 33 00:01:26,550 --> 00:01:24,560 history long questioned the official 34 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:26,560 account of what happened that night all 35 00:01:30,310 --> 00:01:28,960 those years ago in the american desert 36 00:01:32,469 --> 00:01:30,320 southwest 37 00:01:35,350 --> 00:01:32,479 evidence to demonstrate that the prosaic 38 00:01:37,990 --> 00:01:35,360 explanations were propaganda aimed at 39 00:01:39,429 --> 00:01:38,000 covering up something more world shaking 40 00:01:42,550 --> 00:01:39,439 was scant 41 00:01:44,789 --> 00:01:42,560 that was at least until 1997 42 00:01:47,429 --> 00:01:44,799 some 50 years after the event in 43 00:01:50,310 --> 00:01:47,439 question when a retired colonel of the 44 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:50,320 u.s army emerged to offer a new account 45 00:01:55,350 --> 00:01:52,840 of what he claimed really happened that 46 00:01:57,510 --> 00:01:55,360 night his claims provided sweet 47 00:01:59,510 --> 00:01:57,520 vindication for those long convinced 48 00:02:03,030 --> 00:01:59,520 that what slammed into the new mexico 49 00:02:04,469 --> 00:02:03,040 desert in 1947 was anything but 50 00:02:06,709 --> 00:02:04,479 conventional 51 00:02:09,190 --> 00:02:06,719 colonel philip corso the man making 52 00:02:11,270 --> 00:02:09,200 these claims suggested not only that an 53 00:02:12,070 --> 00:02:11,280 alien craft really was recovered that 54 00:02:15,030 --> 00:02:12,080 night 55 00:02:17,350 --> 00:02:15,040 but that indeed alien entities were also 56 00:02:19,670 --> 00:02:17,360 at the wheel as it were 57 00:02:22,070 --> 00:02:19,680 he even claimed to have laid eyes on one 58 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:22,080 of those aliens in a later turn of fate 59 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:24,000 while he was stationed at fort riley 60 00:02:27,990 --> 00:02:25,360 kansas 61 00:02:29,910 --> 00:02:28,000 and his claims didn't stop there he also 62 00:02:32,630 --> 00:02:29,920 stated that he came to be involved in a 63 00:02:35,190 --> 00:02:32,640 scheme to take technology recovered from 64 00:02:37,430 --> 00:02:35,200 the craft and farm it out to american 65 00:02:39,910 --> 00:02:37,440 industry in order to jumpstart the 66 00:02:43,110 --> 00:02:39,920 american advantage over adversaries of 67 00:02:45,030 --> 00:02:43,120 the time such as the soviet union 68 00:02:47,750 --> 00:02:45,040 he also suggested this was done under 69 00:02:49,350 --> 00:02:47,760 the cover of a foreign technology desk 70 00:02:51,830 --> 00:02:49,360 done in such a way as to cover the 71 00:02:54,150 --> 00:02:51,840 tracks of the true origin of this 72 00:02:56,070 --> 00:02:54,160 revolutionary tech 73 00:02:58,229 --> 00:02:56,080 it goes without saying that these claims 74 00:03:00,710 --> 00:02:58,239 are as bold as they come 75 00:03:02,550 --> 00:03:00,720 if true they are truly world shaking 76 00:03:04,869 --> 00:03:02,560 with implications that effectively 77 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:04,879 rewrite not just the history of the 20th 78 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:05,920 century 79 00:03:10,149 --> 00:03:07,680 but once and for all settle the matter 80 00:03:12,630 --> 00:03:10,159 of our place in the universe 81 00:03:14,630 --> 00:03:12,640 but how credible are these claims 82 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:14,640 and what historical lines of evidence 83 00:03:19,670 --> 00:03:17,840 exist to either support or refute them 84 00:03:20,869 --> 00:03:19,680 these are the very matters we'll seek to 85 00:03:24,070 --> 00:03:20,879 delve into 86 00:03:27,510 --> 00:03:24,080 in this the 65th episode of the point of 87 00:03:32,869 --> 00:03:30,710 [Music] 88 00:03:34,550 --> 00:03:32,879 as we begin this week's episode now i'd 89 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:34,560 just like to reflect on the fact that in 90 00:03:39,910 --> 00:03:36,560 some ways it's surprising that it's 91 00:03:42,630 --> 00:03:39,920 taken up to my 65th episode before i've 92 00:03:44,550 --> 00:03:42,640 directly addressed roswell we've touched 93 00:03:46,229 --> 00:03:44,560 on it in passing when talking about 94 00:03:48,229 --> 00:03:46,239 other crashes and of course just 95 00:03:49,509 --> 00:03:48,239 covering the history of the ufo 96 00:03:51,910 --> 00:03:49,519 phenomenon 97 00:03:54,470 --> 00:03:51,920 but of course this crash comes up quite 98 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:54,480 a bit because it is probably the 99 00:03:59,589 --> 00:03:57,360 quintessential moment in ufology from 100 00:04:00,949 --> 00:03:59,599 the 20th century the quintessential 101 00:04:03,190 --> 00:04:00,959 moment from 102 00:04:05,350 --> 00:04:03,200 modern ufology 103 00:04:07,429 --> 00:04:05,360 and of course this book really brought 104 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:07,439 everything to the forefront again 105 00:04:11,190 --> 00:04:09,120 because while there were rumors that 106 00:04:14,070 --> 00:04:11,200 always emerged throughout the decades 107 00:04:17,590 --> 00:04:14,080 since 1947 it was when this book was 108 00:04:19,270 --> 00:04:17,600 released as i said in 1997 50 years 109 00:04:20,789 --> 00:04:19,280 after the initial event 110 00:04:23,110 --> 00:04:20,799 that really brought this to the fore 111 00:04:25,510 --> 00:04:23,120 once again and there was heated debate 112 00:04:28,070 --> 00:04:25,520 around what really happened and how 113 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:28,080 credible were the claims of this colonel 114 00:04:33,189 --> 00:04:30,720 of the us army who came forward 115 00:04:35,670 --> 00:04:33,199 the book is the day after roswell and it 116 00:04:37,030 --> 00:04:35,680 was co-authored by william j burns and 117 00:04:41,670 --> 00:04:37,040 philip corso 118 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:41,680 from the u.s army who was making these 119 00:04:45,430 --> 00:04:42,720 claims 120 00:04:47,909 --> 00:04:45,440 and it's quite the story not only does 121 00:04:51,030 --> 00:04:47,919 he claim that he came across an alien 122 00:04:54,390 --> 00:04:51,040 body a cadaver as it were in a crate in 123 00:04:56,230 --> 00:04:54,400 liquid while he was at fort riley kansas 124 00:04:58,629 --> 00:04:56,240 but as it turns out by some strange 125 00:05:00,870 --> 00:04:58,639 twist of fate he was later in charge of 126 00:05:02,710 --> 00:05:00,880 a foreign technology desk 127 00:05:05,110 --> 00:05:02,720 that was tasked with taking this 128 00:05:07,189 --> 00:05:05,120 technology recovered from the roswell 129 00:05:09,430 --> 00:05:07,199 crash and we'll get into whether or not 130 00:05:11,430 --> 00:05:09,440 was really a crash later on 131 00:05:14,310 --> 00:05:11,440 and then farming that technology out to 132 00:05:16,629 --> 00:05:14,320 u.s industry and doing so in such a way 133 00:05:18,870 --> 00:05:16,639 as it would be hard to ever trace back 134 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:18,880 that this was ever alien tech to begin 135 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:19,680 with 136 00:05:22,710 --> 00:05:21,840 many of these industries receiving some 137 00:05:24,710 --> 00:05:22,720 of this 138 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:24,720 strange technology assumed it was 139 00:05:29,670 --> 00:05:27,280 probably coming from either recovery of 140 00:05:31,909 --> 00:05:29,680 chinese or russian craft they weren't 141 00:05:33,270 --> 00:05:31,919 told of course that this was potentially 142 00:05:35,430 --> 00:05:33,280 an et 143 00:05:38,790 --> 00:05:35,440 vehicle that they were receiving 144 00:05:40,629 --> 00:05:38,800 technology from 145 00:05:43,029 --> 00:05:40,639 this is the publisher's description of 146 00:05:46,310 --> 00:05:43,039 this book the day after roswell by 147 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:46,320 william j burns and philip corso 148 00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:48,960 quote a landmark expose firmly grounded 149 00:05:54,230 --> 00:05:51,680 in fact the day after roswell ends the 150 00:05:56,469 --> 00:05:54,240 decades-old controversy surrounding the 151 00:06:01,110 --> 00:05:56,479 mysterious crash of an unidentified 152 00:06:03,510 --> 00:06:01,120 aircraft at roswell new mexico in 1947 153 00:06:05,830 --> 00:06:03,520 backed by documents newly declassified 154 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:05,840 through the freedom of information act 155 00:06:10,710 --> 00:06:08,800 colonel philip j corso retired a member 156 00:06:12,309 --> 00:06:10,720 of president eisenhower's national 157 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:12,319 security council 158 00:06:15,590 --> 00:06:13,680 and former head of the foreign 159 00:06:18,070 --> 00:06:15,600 technology desk at the u.s army's 160 00:06:19,830 --> 00:06:18,080 research and development department has 161 00:06:22,710 --> 00:06:19,840 come forward to reveal his personal 162 00:06:24,469 --> 00:06:22,720 stewardship of alien artifacts from the 163 00:06:26,230 --> 00:06:24,479 roswell crash 164 00:06:28,790 --> 00:06:26,240 he tells us how he spearheaded the 165 00:06:31,749 --> 00:06:28,800 army's reverse engineering project that 166 00:06:35,029 --> 00:06:31,759 led to today's integrated circuit chips 167 00:06:37,909 --> 00:06:35,039 fiber optics lasers super tenacity 168 00:06:40,469 --> 00:06:37,919 fibers and seeded the roswell alien 169 00:06:41,670 --> 00:06:40,479 technology to giants of american 170 00:06:43,350 --> 00:06:41,680 industry 171 00:06:45,749 --> 00:06:43,360 laying bare the u.s government's 172 00:06:48,309 --> 00:06:45,759 shocking role in the roswell incident 173 00:06:50,550 --> 00:06:48,319 what was found the cover-up and how they 174 00:06:53,830 --> 00:06:50,560 used alien artifacts to change the 175 00:06:56,390 --> 00:06:53,840 course of 20th century history the day 176 00:06:58,390 --> 00:06:56,400 after roswell is an extraordinary memoir 177 00:07:01,110 --> 00:06:58,400 that not only forces us to reconsider 178 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:01,120 the past but also our role in the 179 00:07:06,870 --> 00:07:04,560 universe unquote 180 00:07:09,029 --> 00:07:06,880 now as a quick aside in preparation for 181 00:07:11,589 --> 00:07:09,039 this week's episode in addition to 182 00:07:13,830 --> 00:07:11,599 reading the book the day after roswell 183 00:07:16,390 --> 00:07:13,840 i also perused a variety of interviews 184 00:07:17,909 --> 00:07:16,400 that corso did over time 185 00:07:19,670 --> 00:07:17,919 there are several interviews that really 186 00:07:21,510 --> 00:07:19,680 are gems of history that i would 187 00:07:22,469 --> 00:07:21,520 recommend you listen to if you get a 188 00:07:24,629 --> 00:07:22,479 chance 189 00:07:27,189 --> 00:07:24,639 one of them is art bell's dreamland 190 00:07:29,670 --> 00:07:27,199 radio show as well as his interview with 191 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:29,680 corso on coast to coast am he 192 00:07:32,870 --> 00:07:31,440 interviewed corso on both of those 193 00:07:35,430 --> 00:07:32,880 programs 194 00:07:37,749 --> 00:07:35,440 in the coast to coast am episode 195 00:07:39,430 --> 00:07:37,759 corso was joined by dr john alexander 196 00:07:40,629 --> 00:07:39,440 who we've also mentioned many times on 197 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:40,639 this program 198 00:07:43,670 --> 00:07:42,639 at the time alexander was there to 199 00:07:46,309 --> 00:07:43,680 support 200 00:07:48,469 --> 00:07:46,319 colonel corso and back up his claims 201 00:07:50,550 --> 00:07:48,479 because alexander had done some research 202 00:07:52,869 --> 00:07:50,560 and had found that indeed corsa was who 203 00:07:53,990 --> 00:07:52,879 he said he was and was in the places he 204 00:07:56,070 --> 00:07:54,000 said he was 205 00:07:57,749 --> 00:07:56,080 in the claims he made in the book 206 00:07:59,749 --> 00:07:57,759 now what's interesting in terms of the 207 00:08:03,589 --> 00:07:59,759 history here is that later alexander 208 00:08:05,430 --> 00:08:03,599 came to question some of corso's claims 209 00:08:07,350 --> 00:08:05,440 but those i've talked to suggest that 210 00:08:09,350 --> 00:08:07,360 perhaps alexander just didn't have the 211 00:08:11,350 --> 00:08:09,360 clearance he thought he did to be able 212 00:08:13,270 --> 00:08:11,360 to determine whether or not all of those 213 00:08:15,430 --> 00:08:13,280 claims were accurate 214 00:08:17,430 --> 00:08:15,440 but anyway as i say in this interview i 215 00:08:19,270 --> 00:08:17,440 listened to which you can find 216 00:08:21,749 --> 00:08:19,280 on podcast platforms by the way this 217 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:21,759 classic interview on coast to coast am 218 00:08:26,869 --> 00:08:23,360 between art bell 219 00:08:28,950 --> 00:08:26,879 and dr john alexander and philip corso i 220 00:08:31,270 --> 00:08:28,960 was reminded of an event that happened 221 00:08:33,029 --> 00:08:31,280 in my life sometime around the year 2000 222 00:08:35,110 --> 00:08:33,039 or 2001 223 00:08:37,509 --> 00:08:35,120 as it turns out i was driving through 224 00:08:39,750 --> 00:08:37,519 the american southwest in the desert so 225 00:08:42,550 --> 00:08:39,760 to speak in the middle of the night and 226 00:08:44,070 --> 00:08:42,560 i was listening to art belle's program 227 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:44,080 so you can imagine the scene i'm 228 00:08:48,870 --> 00:08:46,880 listening to art bell it's dark i'm in 229 00:08:50,550 --> 00:08:48,880 the middle of nowhere in the new mexico 230 00:08:51,430 --> 00:08:50,560 desert driving in the middle of the 231 00:08:54,310 --> 00:08:51,440 night 232 00:08:57,990 --> 00:08:54,320 and what happens next was quite shocking 233 00:09:00,630 --> 00:08:58,000 because over top of my car came a giant 234 00:09:03,350 --> 00:09:00,640 black triangle it came up from behind me 235 00:09:05,590 --> 00:09:03,360 silently and suddenly was over top of me 236 00:09:07,590 --> 00:09:05,600 and then kept going forward it shocked 237 00:09:08,870 --> 00:09:07,600 me to the nth degree i'm sure you can 238 00:09:10,470 --> 00:09:08,880 imagine 239 00:09:12,550 --> 00:09:10,480 as it turns out i'm pretty sure it was a 240 00:09:14,150 --> 00:09:12,560 b2 bomber of the time 241 00:09:16,150 --> 00:09:14,160 because we know they are housed in that 242 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:16,160 area or at least they were then but 243 00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:17,920 again i just ask you to picture the 244 00:09:21,910 --> 00:09:19,680 scene you're listening to art bell 245 00:09:23,750 --> 00:09:21,920 talking about ufos you're in the middle 246 00:09:26,790 --> 00:09:23,760 of the new mexico desert in the middle 247 00:09:28,949 --> 00:09:26,800 of the night alone and suddenly this 248 00:09:31,030 --> 00:09:28,959 giant black triangle flies over you 249 00:09:32,790 --> 00:09:31,040 again pretty sure it was a b-2 bomber 250 00:09:34,710 --> 00:09:32,800 but it was a shocking incident that i 251 00:09:36,150 --> 00:09:34,720 will never forget 252 00:09:38,790 --> 00:09:36,160 all right enough about that little 253 00:09:40,710 --> 00:09:38,800 vignette from my own lifetime let's get 254 00:09:43,990 --> 00:09:40,720 back to the book where the book goes 255 00:09:45,430 --> 00:09:44,000 into the actual crafts at roswell now 256 00:09:47,750 --> 00:09:45,440 we're going to pick it up at a time 257 00:09:49,670 --> 00:09:47,760 where radar operators were noticing 258 00:09:50,470 --> 00:09:49,680 these strange objects showing up on the 259 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:50,480 screen 260 00:09:55,590 --> 00:09:52,560 darting incredibly fast 261 00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:55,600 and it says of these objects quote they 262 00:09:59,670 --> 00:09:57,440 were pulsating it was the only way you 263 00:10:01,670 --> 00:09:59,680 could describe it glowing more intensely 264 00:10:04,310 --> 00:10:01,680 and then dimly as tremendous 265 00:10:06,310 --> 00:10:04,320 thunderstorms broke out over the desert 266 00:10:08,790 --> 00:10:06,320 steve arnold posted to the roswell 267 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:08,800 airfield control tower that evening had 268 00:10:13,509 --> 00:10:11,120 never seen a blip behave like this as it 269 00:10:16,150 --> 00:10:13,519 darted across the screen between sweeps 270 00:10:18,310 --> 00:10:16,160 at speeds over a thousand miles an hour 271 00:10:20,710 --> 00:10:18,320 all the while it was pulsating throbbing 272 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:20,720 almost until while the skies over the 273 00:10:24,790 --> 00:10:22,800 base exploded in a biblical display of 274 00:10:27,350 --> 00:10:24,800 thunder and lightning it arc to the 275 00:10:29,269 --> 00:10:27,360 lower left hand quadrant of the screen 276 00:10:30,790 --> 00:10:29,279 seemed to disappear for a moment then 277 00:10:33,430 --> 00:10:30,800 exploded in a brilliant white 278 00:10:35,030 --> 00:10:33,440 fluorescence and evaporated right before 279 00:10:37,990 --> 00:10:35,040 his very eyes 280 00:10:39,829 --> 00:10:38,000 the screen was clear the blips were gone 281 00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:39,839 and as controllers looked around at each 282 00:10:44,710 --> 00:10:42,240 other and at the cic officers in the 283 00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:44,720 room the same thought arose in all their 284 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:47,760 minds an object whatever it was had 285 00:10:52,949 --> 00:10:50,399 crashed the military response was put 286 00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:52,959 into motion within seconds this was a 287 00:10:56,630 --> 00:10:55,040 national security issue 288 00:10:58,630 --> 00:10:56,640 jump on that thing in the desert and 289 00:10:59,670 --> 00:10:58,640 bring it back before anyone else could 290 00:11:01,670 --> 00:10:59,680 find it 291 00:11:02,630 --> 00:11:01,680 unquote moving forward in the book a 292 00:11:04,949 --> 00:11:02,640 little bit 293 00:11:07,350 --> 00:11:04,959 quote it was still dark when from 294 00:11:10,150 --> 00:11:07,360 another direction steve arnold riding 295 00:11:12,829 --> 00:11:10,160 shotgun in one of the staff cars in the 296 00:11:16,150 --> 00:11:12,839 convoy of recovery vehicles from the 297 00:11:17,829 --> 00:11:16,160 509th reached the crash site first 298 00:11:20,870 --> 00:11:17,839 even before their trucks rolled into 299 00:11:23,670 --> 00:11:20,880 position an mp lieutenant from the first 300 00:11:25,670 --> 00:11:23,680 jeep posted a picket of centuries and an 301 00:11:28,790 --> 00:11:25,680 engineer ordered his unit to string a 302 00:11:31,030 --> 00:11:28,800 series of floodlights around the area 303 00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:31,040 then arnold's car pulled up and he got 304 00:11:36,069 --> 00:11:33,600 his own first glimpse of the wreckage 305 00:11:38,069 --> 00:11:36,079 but it wasn't really wreckage at all 306 00:11:40,310 --> 00:11:38,079 not in the way he'd seen plane crashes 307 00:11:42,150 --> 00:11:40,320 during the war from what he could make 308 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:42,160 out through the purple darkness the 309 00:11:47,670 --> 00:11:45,040 dark-skinned craft seemed mostly intact 310 00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:47,680 and had lost no large pieces 311 00:11:51,430 --> 00:11:49,200 sure there were bits and pieces of 312 00:11:53,670 --> 00:11:51,440 debris all over the area but the 313 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:53,680 aircraft itself hadn't broken apart on 314 00:11:57,910 --> 00:11:56,160 impact the way a normal airplane would 315 00:11:59,269 --> 00:11:57,920 and the whole scene was still shrouded 316 00:12:00,949 --> 00:11:59,279 in darkness 317 00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:00,959 now i'm going to jump again ahead a 318 00:12:05,509 --> 00:12:03,040 little bit further into the book when 319 00:12:07,910 --> 00:12:05,519 actually the scene is fully illuminated 320 00:12:09,910 --> 00:12:07,920 quote in the stark light of the military 321 00:12:12,150 --> 00:12:09,920 searchlights arnold saw the entire 322 00:12:13,990 --> 00:12:12,160 landscape of the crash he thought it 323 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:14,000 looked more like a crash landing because 324 00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:15,920 the craft was intact 325 00:12:20,470 --> 00:12:17,920 except for a split seam running 326 00:12:22,829 --> 00:12:20,480 lengthwise along the side and the steep 327 00:12:25,509 --> 00:12:22,839 45 plus degree angle of the craft's 328 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:25,519 incline he assumed it was a craft even 329 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:27,360 though it was like no airplane he'd ever 330 00:12:30,069 --> 00:12:28,240 seen 331 00:12:32,629 --> 00:12:30,079 it was small but it looked more like the 332 00:12:34,870 --> 00:12:32,639 flying wing shape of an old curtis than 333 00:12:37,030 --> 00:12:34,880 an ellipse or a saucer 334 00:12:39,269 --> 00:12:37,040 and it had two tail fins on the top 335 00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:39,279 sides of the delta's feet that pointed 336 00:12:42,710 --> 00:12:40,720 up and out 337 00:12:44,870 --> 00:12:42,720 he angled himself as close to the split 338 00:12:46,870 --> 00:12:44,880 seam of the craft as he could get 339 00:12:49,670 --> 00:12:46,880 without stepping in front of the workers 340 00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:49,680 in hazardous material suits who were 341 00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:52,480 checking the site for radiation 342 00:12:57,750 --> 00:12:54,480 and that was when he saw them in the 343 00:13:00,150 --> 00:12:57,760 shadow little dark gray figures maybe 344 00:13:02,230 --> 00:13:00,160 four four and a half feet in length 345 00:13:04,629 --> 00:13:02,240 sprawled across the ground 346 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:04,639 are those people arnold heard someone 347 00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:06,880 say as medics rushed up with stretchers 348 00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:08,800 to the knife like laceration along the 349 00:13:13,190 --> 00:13:10,560 side of the craft through which the 350 00:13:14,949 --> 00:13:13,200 bodies had either crawled or tumbled 351 00:13:17,269 --> 00:13:14,959 arnold looked around the perimeter of 352 00:13:19,910 --> 00:13:17,279 light and saw another figure motionless 353 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:19,920 but menacing nevertheless and another 354 00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:21,600 leading against a small rise in the 355 00:13:24,629 --> 00:13:23,040 desert sand 356 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:24,639 there was a fifth figure near the 357 00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:27,120 opening of the craft as radiation 358 00:13:32,230 --> 00:13:29,600 technicians gave all clear and medics 359 00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:32,240 ran to the bodies with stretchers arnold 360 00:13:36,389 --> 00:13:33,600 sneaked a look through the rip in the 361 00:13:37,829 --> 00:13:36,399 aircraft and stared out through the top 362 00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:37,839 jehoshaphat 363 00:13:42,069 --> 00:13:40,079 it looked like the sun was already up 364 00:13:44,069 --> 00:13:42,079 just to make sure steve arnold looked 365 00:13:45,509 --> 00:13:44,079 around the outside again and sure enough 366 00:13:48,310 --> 00:13:45,519 it was still too dark to call it 367 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:48,320 daylight but through the top of the crap 368 00:13:51,590 --> 00:13:49,920 as if you were looking through a lens 369 00:13:52,389 --> 00:13:51,600 arnold could see an eerie stream of 370 00:13:55,829 --> 00:13:52,399 light 371 00:13:57,269 --> 00:13:55,839 nevertheless 372 00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:57,279 he'd never seen anything like that 373 00:14:00,790 --> 00:13:59,040 before and thought that maybe this was a 374 00:14:02,870 --> 00:14:00,800 weapon the russians or somebody else had 375 00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:02,880 developed the scene at the crash site 376 00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:05,600 was a microcosm of chaos technicians 377 00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:08,000 with specific tasks such as medics 378 00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:10,800 hazardous materials sweepers signalmen 379 00:14:15,189 --> 00:14:13,279 and radio operators and centuries were 380 00:14:17,590 --> 00:14:15,199 carrying out their jobs as methodically 381 00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:17,600 and unthinkingly as if they were emperor 382 00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:19,600 ming's brainwashed furnished stoking 383 00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:22,560 zombies from the flash gordon cereals 384 00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:24,880 but everyone else including the officers 385 00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:27,440 were simply awestruck they'd never seen 386 00:14:32,470 --> 00:14:29,760 anything like this before and they stood 387 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:32,480 there overpowered it seemed by simply a 388 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:34,560 general sense of amazement that would 389 00:14:39,110 --> 00:14:36,720 not let them out of its grip 390 00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:39,120 hey this one's alive arnold heard and 391 00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:40,560 turned around to see one of the little 392 00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:42,720 figures struggling on the ground 393 00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:44,480 with the rest of the medics he ran over 394 00:14:48,949 --> 00:14:46,320 to it and watched as it shuddered and 395 00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:48,959 made a crying sound that echoed not in 396 00:14:53,269 --> 00:14:51,440 the air but in his brain 397 00:14:55,990 --> 00:14:53,279 he heard nothing through his ears but 398 00:14:57,430 --> 00:14:56,000 felt an overwhelming sense of sadness as 399 00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:57,440 the little figure convulsed on the 400 00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:00,320 ground its oversized egg shaped skull 401 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:02,800 flipping from side to side as if it was 402 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:05,440 trying to gasp for something to breathe 403 00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:07,120 unquote 404 00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:09,040 okay so let's step back for a moment and 405 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:11,040 reflect on what we just read 406 00:15:15,430 --> 00:15:12,720 number one we should acknowledge that 407 00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:15,440 obviously philip corso wasn't on hand 408 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:17,600 that day this is not his account 409 00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:19,600 obviously he is putting together other 410 00:15:23,910 --> 00:15:21,120 people's accounts to give us this 411 00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:23,920 description of the actual crash site and 412 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:25,680 what people were experiencing as they 413 00:15:31,590 --> 00:15:28,480 saw these apparently gray aliens 414 00:15:33,749 --> 00:15:31,600 crawling out of the craft close to death 415 00:15:36,389 --> 00:15:33,759 we also make note of the fact that the 416 00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:36,399 craft itself was largely intact which 417 00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:37,920 was surprising to the people on the 418 00:15:42,629 --> 00:15:39,680 scene apparently because you would 419 00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:42,639 expect more debris more pieces large 420 00:15:47,829 --> 00:15:45,279 pieces separated with such a crash but 421 00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:47,839 as it turns out this craft was mostly 422 00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:50,320 intact which again raises questions 423 00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:52,160 about whether or not that was actually a 424 00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:54,800 crash but we'll get to that in a moment 425 00:15:59,030 --> 00:15:56,480 i also want to bring to your attention 426 00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:59,040 that it was telepathic communication 427 00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:01,600 going on here because when one of these 428 00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:04,240 beings cried out in desperation as it 429 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:06,800 was dying perhaps gasping for air 430 00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:08,160 because perhaps it wasn't in the 431 00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:09,920 controlled environment of the craft 432 00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:12,320 anymore or perhaps its suit had been 433 00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,320 punctured in some way so it was more 434 00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:16,320 exposed to our atmosphere 435 00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:18,639 as it cried out in despair 436 00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:21,360 these men heard it in their minds they 437 00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:22,880 didn't hear it audibly they heard it 438 00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,880 telepathically we should make note of 439 00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:26,000 that 440 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:28,560 now touching on the crash scene 441 00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:31,440 again what many people have suggested is 442 00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:33,040 because of the nature of the craft that 443 00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:34,959 it didn't really break up you could say 444 00:16:39,509 --> 00:16:36,720 it's just remarkable technology 445 00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:39,519 remarkably strong exterior hull for 446 00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,920 instance but others have suggested this 447 00:16:45,269 --> 00:16:43,440 was actually a 448 00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:45,279 ruse that it wasn't really a crash it 449 00:16:51,509 --> 00:16:47,920 was more like a deposit on the desert 450 00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:51,519 either by ets or perhaps even by time 451 00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:54,480 traveling humans who actually wanted to 452 00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:55,600 seed us 453 00:16:59,189 --> 00:16:57,440 with this technology 454 00:17:01,350 --> 00:16:59,199 that's an interesting notion we will 455 00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:01,360 touch on that more later 456 00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:03,199 but by the way perhaps you're thinking 457 00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:05,120 well if this was a ruse if this was 458 00:17:10,309 --> 00:17:07,839 really not a crash but more of a deposit 459 00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,319 meant to change our timeline or to 460 00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:13,199 change our history by ets 461 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:14,880 why would they sacrifice some of their 462 00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:17,280 own because clearly these beings seem to 463 00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:19,760 be in some sort of distress 464 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:21,839 well as we go on in the book we find 465 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:24,640 that even corso suggests these may have 466 00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:27,760 been a kind of advanced amalgam of 467 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:30,160 biology and a.i 468 00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:33,200 engineered biological beings but still 469 00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,440 ai they were actually seamlessly 470 00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,000 involved with the craft itself that also 471 00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:40,640 was a kind of seamless amalgam of 472 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:43,520 technology and biology yes even the 473 00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:46,080 craft itself according to some accounts 474 00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,559 was alive in some way and actually 475 00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:50,799 changed color the way you might expect 476 00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:54,480 flesh to when it died so to speak on the 477 00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:55,840 desert floor 478 00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:57,679 and by the way those kind of accounts 479 00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:59,679 sound more realistic to me that's what i 480 00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:00,880 would expect 481 00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:05,840 the technology to be significantly 482 00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:07,200 beyond ours 483 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:08,799 and so when i hear about these kinds of 484 00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:11,200 notions rather than just your standard 485 00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:13,840 metallic craft nuts and bolts and rivets 486 00:18:19,029 --> 00:18:16,640 and whatnot that sounds compelling to me 487 00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:19,039 we should note that some people reported 488 00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:21,280 this at the scene 489 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:22,799 and by the way as we go through the 490 00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,880 different claims that corso makes and 491 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:26,720 different elements of the story that are 492 00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:29,520 reported it's worth noting what your 493 00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:31,280 initial response is to different 494 00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:32,960 elements does it make you feel like this 495 00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:35,039 story is more realistic more likely to 496 00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:36,880 have happened the way that corso is 497 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:39,679 describing or less likely does it make 498 00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:42,240 the story seem more credible or not so 499 00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:44,480 credible it's worth noting how that 500 00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:46,400 changes as you hear different elements 501 00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:48,400 and to ask yourself why you are 502 00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:50,720 persuaded one way or another by these 503 00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:52,160 different elements 504 00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:53,919 again for me when i think of 505 00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:56,640 extraterrestrial crafts coming from 506 00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:58,720 extra solar civilizations 507 00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:01,200 my sense is as i've said before 508 00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,440 the chances of them having technology 509 00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:05,280 close to our own within a few 510 00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:08,559 generations seems highly highly highly 511 00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:11,520 unlikely it's almost preposterously 512 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:12,799 unlikely 513 00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:15,120 so when i hear cases like this where 514 00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:17,520 supposedly even the craft itself is 515 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:20,240 perhaps alive and that the beings 516 00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:22,480 involved are not actually biological 517 00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:24,799 organisms like us but some sort of 518 00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:28,400 advanced engineered ai that uses organic 519 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:31,200 materials and as corso goes on to say 520 00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:33,760 perhaps even some of these beings were 521 00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,080 actually part of the craft for instance 522 00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:38,480 one of the beings he believes was the 523 00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:40,960 navigation system basically and they 524 00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,840 worked seamlessly with the craft itself 525 00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:45,679 to accomplish their goal but they 526 00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:48,080 weren't soulful beings 527 00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,960 not purely biological soulful beings as 528 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:53,120 we are again according to some of 529 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:54,720 corso's claims 530 00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,400 very interesting 531 00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,039 okay enough about the crash itself now 532 00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,840 let's fast forward to when corso claims 533 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,320 he had his first encounter with this 534 00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,480 entire story personally 535 00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:08,640 and as it turns out it was when he saw a 536 00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:12,000 body a cadaver of one of these aliens 537 00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:14,159 from the roswell crash while he was 538 00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:17,200 stationed as a post-duty officer at fort 539 00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,880 riley kansas 540 00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:20,720 and will pick it up from the book once 541 00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,600 again 542 00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,000 he is on his duty doing his rounds when 543 00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:26,400 he hears one of the men he is in charge 544 00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:27,200 of 545 00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,720 whispered to him quote major corso a 546 00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:32,480 voice hissed out of the darkness it had 547 00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,360 an edge of terror and excitement to it 548 00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:36,720 what the hell are you doing in there 549 00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:38,960 brownie i began cussing out the figure 550 00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:40,880 that peeked out at me from behind the 551 00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,440 door have you gone off your rocker 552 00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,799 he was supposed to be outside the 553 00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,960 building not hiding in a doorway it was 554 00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,480 a breach of duty 555 00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,480 you don't understand major he whispered 556 00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,480 again you have to see this 557 00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,640 better be good i said as i walked over 558 00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,240 to where he was standing and waited for 559 00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:57,840 him outside the door 560 00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:00,159 now you get out here where i can see you 561 00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,559 i ordered brown popped his head out from 562 00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,240 behind the door 563 00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,320 you know what's in there he asked 564 00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:08,000 whatever was going on i didn't want to 565 00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,400 play any games the post-duty sheet for 566 00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:12,159 that night read that the veterinary 567 00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,960 building was off limits to everyone not 568 00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:16,640 even the centuries were allowed inside 569 00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,039 because whatever had been loaded in had 570 00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,320 been classified as no access 571 00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,880 what was brown doing on the inside 572 00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,480 brownie you know you're not supposed to 573 00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:28,799 be in there i said get out here and tell 574 00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:31,200 me what's going on he stepped out from 575 00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,880 inside the door and even through the 576 00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,640 shadow i could see that his face was a 577 00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,840 dead pale 578 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:37,840 just as if he'd seen a ghost 579 00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:39,760 you won't believe this he said 580 00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,159 i don't believe it and i just saw it 581 00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,240 what are you talking about i asked 582 00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,960 unquote now we're going to jump ahead to 583 00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,440 when corso goes inside the building and 584 00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,360 finds this body 585 00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:53,440 quoting from the book again quote 586 00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,000 the top was already loose i was right 587 00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:58,559 this one had just been opened i jimmied 588 00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,799 the top back and forth continuing to 589 00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:02,880 loosen the nails that had been pried up 590 00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:05,360 with a nail claw until i felt them come 591 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,799 out of the wood 592 00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,640 and now we're going to jump ahead to 593 00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,720 what he finds inside this crate that 594 00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:12,799 he's jimmied open 595 00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,520 quote the contents enclosed in a thick 596 00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:17,760 glass container were submerged in a 597 00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:20,720 thick light blue liquid almost as heavy 598 00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,520 as a gelling solution of diesel fuel 599 00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,679 but the object was floating actually 600 00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:27,840 suspended and not sitting on the bottom 601 00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,320 with a fluid over top and it was soft 602 00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:33,200 and shiny as the underbelly of a fish 603 00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:35,120 at first i thought it was a dead child 604 00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:36,960 they were shipping somewhere but this 605 00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,000 was no child it was a four foot human 606 00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,039 shaped figure with arms bizarre looking 607 00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,080 four-fingered hands i didn't see a thumb 608 00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,480 thin legs and feet and an oversized 609 00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:51,120 incandescent light bulb shaped head that 610 00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,559 looked like it was floating over a 611 00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,039 balloon gondola for a chin 612 00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,120 i know i must have cringed at first but 613 00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,120 then i had the urge to pull off the top 614 00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,280 of the liquid container and touch the 615 00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,880 pale gray skin 616 00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,640 but i couldn't tell whether it was skin 617 00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,640 because it also looked like a very thin 618 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,120 one one-piece head-to-toe fabric 619 00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,840 covering the creature's flesh 620 00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,679 its eyeballs must have been rolled way 621 00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,840 back in its head because i couldn't see 622 00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,080 any pupils or iris or anything that 623 00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:20,000 resembled a human eye 624 00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:21,919 but the eye sockets themselves were 625 00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,400 oversized and almost almond shaped and 626 00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,799 pointed down to its tiny nose which 627 00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,120 didn't really protrude from the skull 628 00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,200 it was more like the tiny nose of a baby 629 00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:33,520 that never grew as the child grew and it 630 00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,840 was mostly 631 00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,200 nostril the creature's skull was 632 00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:38,799 overgrown to the point where all of its 633 00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:41,520 facial features such as they were were 634 00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,559 arranged absolutely frontally occupying 635 00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:47,120 only a small circle on the lower part of 636 00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,159 the head 637 00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,000 the protruding ears of a human were 638 00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,320 non-existent its cheeks had no 639 00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,880 definition and there were no eyebrows or 640 00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,200 any indications of facial hair the 641 00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:59,600 creature had only a tiny flat slit for a 642 00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:02,240 mouth and it was completely closed 643 00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:03,919 resembling more of a crease or 644 00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,320 indentation between the nose and the 645 00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,400 bottom of the chinless skull than a 646 00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,640 fully functioning orifice 647 00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,400 i would find out years later how it 648 00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,559 communicated but at that moment in 649 00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:17,120 kansas i could only stand there in shock 650 00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:18,400 over the clearly 651 00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,200 non-human face suspended in front of me 652 00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,760 in a semi-liquid preservative 653 00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,279 unquote 654 00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,279 okay so once again let's step back and 655 00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,360 reflect on what we just read 656 00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,080 this was corso's first encounter with 657 00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,120 anything to do with et's personally 658 00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,000 again he later on took over the foreign 659 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,799 technology desk in which part of his job 660 00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,200 involved looking into the 661 00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,760 recovered technology from the roswell 662 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,440 craft allegedly 663 00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:50,000 and then he would farm this out to us 664 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,960 industry as part of a plan he concocted 665 00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,120 with a general trudeau 666 00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,880 under whom he worked 667 00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,799 we should make the point that outside of 668 00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,039 this encounter at fort riley kansas when 669 00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,760 he saw this body of an alien apparently 670 00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:05,440 and then later taking over the foreign 671 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,360 technology desk under general trudeau 672 00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:11,520 corso claims he had a fairly average 673 00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,080 career did very well fought in world war 674 00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,640 ii ran various programs worked at the 675 00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,799 white house for a while under eisenhower 676 00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:20,960 so it's not like his entire career was 677 00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,159 focused on aliens or ets or ufos but 678 00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,320 there were these couple moments in his 679 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:29,039 career that really did focus on this 680 00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:30,640 and i now want to move forward to a 681 00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:33,520 section when he is actually running that 682 00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,679 foreign technology desk and he's looking 683 00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,000 over not just a technology that is being 684 00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,640 passed to him allegedly again from the 685 00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,400 roswell crash 686 00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,880 but he's also reading reports on the 687 00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,400 extraterrestrials 688 00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,120 that were found the one that he saw for 689 00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:51,760 instance was one of these apparently 690 00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:54,400 and here they use the term ebe 691 00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,600 extraterrestrial biological entity 692 00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,360 and at one point he's reviewing a 693 00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,159 document that was prepared by a doctor 694 00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:04,880 regarding the examination of one of 695 00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,799 these creatures and this is what that 696 00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,120 report said quote 697 00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,440 the skin also shows a different atomic 698 00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,919 alignment in a way that appears the skin 699 00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:16,559 is supposed to protect the vital organs 700 00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,279 from cosmic ray or wave action or 701 00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,440 gravitational forces that we don't yet 702 00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,640 understand 703 00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:24,960 the overall medical report suggests that 704 00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,520 the medical examiners are more surprised 705 00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:29,440 at the similarities between the being 706 00:26:34,110 --> 00:26:32,720 found in the spacecraft note nsc reports 707 00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,120 refer to this creature as 708 00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:36,960 extraterrestrial biological entity 709 00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,480 ebe and human beings than they are at 710 00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,880 the differences especially the brain 711 00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:45,840 which is bigger in the ebe but not at 712 00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,919 all unlike ours 713 00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,080 if we consider similar biological 714 00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,480 factors that affect human beings like 715 00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,640 long-distance runners whose hearts and 716 00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,720 lungs are larger than average 717 00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,640 hill and mountain dwellers whose lung 718 00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,120 capacity is greater than those who live 719 00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:02,960 closer to sea level 720 00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,600 and even natural athletes whose long 721 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,000 striated muscle alignment is different 722 00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,240 from those who are not athletes 723 00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,799 can we not assume that the ebes who have 724 00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,600 fallen into our possession represent the 725 00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,240 end process of genetic engineering 726 00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:20,720 designed to adapt them to long space 727 00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,000 voyages within an electromagnetic wave 728 00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,399 environment at speeds which create the 729 00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:28,880 physical conditions described by 730 00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,159 einstein's general theory of relativity 731 00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,320 and then a very interesting post note is 732 00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:35,760 added here 733 00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,120 quote note for the record dr hermann 734 00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,760 oberth suggests we consider the roswell 735 00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,720 craft from the new mexico desert not a 736 00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:47,600 spacecraft but a time machine 737 00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,480 his technical report on propulsion will 738 00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,720 follow unquote 739 00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,720 now let's step back for a moment and 740 00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,320 reflect on what we just read again 741 00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:58,240 because that was a very interesting 742 00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,360 section 743 00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:01,200 number one the doctors that are 744 00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,000 examining these cadavers are surprised 745 00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,799 by how similar they are in many ways to 746 00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,880 human bodies that while there are 747 00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,360 differences they're not beyond the realm 748 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,360 of imagination as being part of an 749 00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,760 evolutionary process even 750 00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,440 and then later on 751 00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:19,760 one of these people investigating the 752 00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,559 entire scene suggests that the craft 753 00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,880 itself may not be a spacecraft but 754 00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,600 perhaps better described as a time 755 00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,720 machine 756 00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,880 now put those two things together the 757 00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,440 fact that these beings look remarkably 758 00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:36,480 human humanoid perhaps even an example 759 00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,440 of the process of evolution thousands of 760 00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,679 years into the future might take 761 00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:43,600 something like a modern human and turn 762 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,240 it into something like this grey alien 763 00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:48,320 when you add in technology and 764 00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,919 improvements that will allow us to 765 00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,279 engineer 766 00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:53,760 and again create an amalgamation between 767 00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:56,799 ai and biology it's not a stretch to 768 00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,600 imagine that we ourselves may create 769 00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,159 creatures like this in the future 770 00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,480 and when you add to that the fact that 771 00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,960 some people even suggested that the 772 00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,120 craft itself was perhaps not a 773 00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,159 spacecraft but a time machine then of 774 00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,399 course we have quite a bit of evidence 775 00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,360 pointing in the direction perhaps of the 776 00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:19,840 future human hypothesis that we 777 00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,120 discussed on previous podcasts and again 778 00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,960 if you wanted to cover up what you were 779 00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,120 doing the true nature of your operation 780 00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,039 which was perhaps to change the course 781 00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:32,000 of history alter the timeline then you 782 00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,000 would do so by creating a ruse letting 783 00:29:40,510 --> 00:29:38,799 contemporaries of our time believe these 784 00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:40,520 are actually aliens from an 785 00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,120 extraterrestrial source when all along 786 00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,080 they're actually us from the future 787 00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,240 it's a possibility that's fascinating 788 00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,240 and well worth considering based on the 789 00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,200 details we just discussed 790 00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,120 all right so just to make this clear 791 00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,240 again corso along with general trudeau 792 00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,240 were basically at this point taking 793 00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,559 recovered technology from the roswell 794 00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,399 crash allegedly 795 00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,039 and they were farming this out to 796 00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,440 giants of u.s technology 797 00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:11,760 why because they wanted to give us 798 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,559 technology u.s industry an advantage 799 00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,200 over our adversaries of the time chiefly 800 00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,120 the soviet union 801 00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,120 now one of the questions i've always had 802 00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,840 about this claim that corso made that 803 00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,240 actually the course of technology 804 00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,240 development in the 20th century was 805 00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:30,159 largely driven or at least partially 806 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,520 driven in some major ways by recovered 807 00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,760 alien crafts ufos 808 00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,919 is that there is not much of a paper 809 00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:39,840 trail suggesting this really happen we 810 00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,320 don't see these massive leaps in 811 00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,320 technological development suggesting 812 00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:46,320 something was seeded from out of nowhere 813 00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,600 so to speak 814 00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,279 but one of the things this book makes 815 00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:51,840 clear is they did their very best to 816 00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:54,799 cover their tracks in that regard by 817 00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,440 only passing the technology to people 818 00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,679 who are already doing groundbreaking 819 00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:01,919 work in the field in other words they 820 00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,240 would target people who are already at 821 00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:06,640 the very cutting edge of a particular 822 00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,440 technological field and they would see 823 00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,600 them with this material again not 824 00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:13,120 telling them where it came from so 825 00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,960 perhaps they thought it was recovered 826 00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,120 soviet or chinese tech or something like 827 00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,519 that and by doing this they would 828 00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:21,120 actually file for the patents when they 829 00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,480 made the breakthroughs when they were 830 00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,039 able to reverse engineer as it were some 831 00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,440 of this technology and by doing it in 832 00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,440 this manner not letting the people who 833 00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,200 develop the technology know where it's 834 00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,679 coming from and only passing it to such 835 00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:35,840 people because they were already at the 836 00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:38,399 very edge the very cutting edge of their 837 00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,519 fields 838 00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,760 this allowed for a largely invisible 839 00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,159 process to take place that would be very 840 00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,960 difficult to trace back and confirm at a 841 00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,559 later date 842 00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,640 what's also interesting is corso claims 843 00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,559 he did this because there were people 844 00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,559 within the cia for instance who were 845 00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:56,640 actually agents working for the soviet 846 00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,120 union and he was as concerned as was 847 00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,000 general trudeau with these double agents 848 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,840 learning about this material and passing 849 00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,240 it off to the soviets as he was about 850 00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,640 the general public finding out so there 851 00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:10,320 were numerous reasons why they took this 852 00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,039 approach but again it's ingenious and at 853 00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,840 least offers a possibility a plausible 854 00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:17,679 explanation for how this may have 855 00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,720 happened if indeed this was the case 856 00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,399 and by the way if you're curious about 857 00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:24,000 the kinds of technologies that 858 00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:27,120 supposedly were seeded into u.s industry 859 00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,480 as a result of the tech that was 860 00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,960 recovered at roswell this included 861 00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,240 allegedly 862 00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:34,640 image intensifiers in other words night 863 00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,919 vision fiber optics super tenacity 864 00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,000 fibers lasers 865 00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,960 molecular alignment metallic alloys 866 00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:44,880 integrated circuits 867 00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,919 micro miniaturization of logic boards 868 00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,760 harp which stands for high altitude 869 00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:52,159 research project portable atomic 870 00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:54,880 generators irradiated food 871 00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,919 third brain guidance systems ie ebe 872 00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,159 headbands that interface with the brain 873 00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:03,279 itself and particle beams as in the star 874 00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,120 wars or sdi anti-missile energy weapons 875 00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,679 and finally electromagnetic propulsion 876 00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,200 systems 877 00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:12,720 all right now i'd like to move into a 878 00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,279 section of the book that includes claims 879 00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:17,519 or at least interpretations that i 880 00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,320 actually have major questions about 881 00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,919 and that has to do with the way that 882 00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:24,720 corso seemed to assume as did his 883 00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,279 superiors like trudeau 884 00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:28,960 that various elements that are part of 885 00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:31,840 the so-called ufo phenomenon were the 886 00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,399 result of a single actor which as you 887 00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:36,159 know on this podcast i have questioned 888 00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,799 that many times but they seem to leap to 889 00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,559 that conclusion 890 00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,080 take for instance this section of the 891 00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,600 book quote 892 00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,760 those were hard times made even harder 893 00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,320 because the u.s military also knew that 894 00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,240 not just the free world but the whole 895 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,960 world was under a military threat from a 896 00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,960 power far greater than the combined 897 00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,360 forces of the soviet union and the 898 00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,960 republic of china 899 00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,200 we didn't know what the ebes wanted at 900 00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,440 first but we knew that between the 901 00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,519 cattle mutilations surveillance of our 902 00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,600 secret weapons installations 903 00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:09,679 reports of strange abductions of human 904 00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,240 beings and their consistent buzzing of 905 00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:14,960 our unmanned and manned space launches 906 00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:17,839 the ebes weren't just friendly visitors 907 00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,560 looking for a polite way to say hello we 908 00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:22,079 mean you no harm 909 00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,119 they meant us harm and we knew it the 910 00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,119 problem was we couldn't do anything 911 00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,440 about it at first and anything we did 912 00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:31,520 try to do had to be done in complete 913 00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,159 secrecy or it would set off a worldwide 914 00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:36,079 panic we believed 915 00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,359 unquote 916 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,960 and then let me jump to another section 917 00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,240 again quote 918 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,320 similarly if too many flying saucers 919 00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,159 were seen by too many people at the same 920 00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:46,480 time wouldn't it become obvious that the 921 00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:48,800 military forces of the superpowers 922 00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,440 couldn't protect their populations for a 923 00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,119 time it was true 924 00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,440 but the public never realized it 925 00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,599 soon we were able to upgrade our ability 926 00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,920 to defend our airspace so that we could 927 00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,240 amass large numbers of interceptors 928 00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,440 against the ebe's limited resources and 929 00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,599 pose a real threat to them 930 00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,160 they backed off and probed our defenses 931 00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,160 only when it seemed safe 932 00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,240 thus the race among the superpowers to 933 00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,480 spend billions of dollars to build the 934 00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,440 fastest and best interceptors had a true 935 00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,800 double purpose 936 00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,800 we needed all these planes because they 937 00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,040 gave the super powers a flexible 938 00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,040 response alternative to simply 939 00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,960 obliterating themselves with guided 940 00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,520 missiles but at the same time both 941 00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,359 superpowers were developing the air 942 00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,079 defense technology to defend the planet 943 00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,560 against the extraterrestrials 944 00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,560 everybody wants the best and fastest 945 00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,040 plane of course so that we can outfly 946 00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,920 and outshoot the enemy we know about but 947 00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,079 we were also defending our skies against 948 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,200 an enemy we didn't admit to having the 949 00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,520 second agenda was always there and the 950 00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,240 cold war provided the budgetary impetus 951 00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,800 the military needed we were building 952 00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,800 aircraft to protect against flying 953 00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,160 saucers 954 00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,200 and in a very real measure we succeeded 955 00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,800 unquote 956 00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:08,240 so again if you're familiar with this 957 00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:10,000 podcast you're probably not surprised 958 00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,599 that i question 959 00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,280 many of those conclusions because i 960 00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,200 question some of the assumptions upon 961 00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,720 which they're based 962 00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,119 we do not know that a singular actor is 963 00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:20,880 responsible for all of the different 964 00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,839 elements we see within the so-called ufo 965 00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,079 phenomenon which again is just a 966 00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,400 convenient catchphrase we use to 967 00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,359 describe various anomalous events that 968 00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,920 seemingly are connected to ufos 969 00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,920 though even that we can't always be sure 970 00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,440 of 971 00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,480 secondly even when i listen to corso 972 00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,400 talk to arbel 973 00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,320 art bell pressed him for really 974 00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:46,800 compelling evidence suggesting these 975 00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,359 others these so-called aliens were 976 00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,960 actually a threat to us that they 977 00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,640 actually meant us harm that they were 978 00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,480 nefarious actors 979 00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,880 and from my point of view corso didn't 980 00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,960 give a very good response it wasn't very 981 00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:00,800 compelling whatsoever not very 982 00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:03,440 convincing whatsoever and when you add 983 00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:05,920 to that this notion that people like 984 00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,640 corso had been at war so to speak for 985 00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,880 decades coming out of world war ii when 986 00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,119 they were fighting germany and japan and 987 00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,359 then entering into the cold war and 988 00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:17,760 fighting an adversary there corso and 989 00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:20,320 his contemporaries very much had a 990 00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,200 wartime mentality their brains have been 991 00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,760 rewired to think in those terms so 992 00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,599 suddenly when these others show up and 993 00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,760 they are buzzing our nuclear facilities 994 00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,400 and buzzing our rockets and sometimes 995 00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,560 taking our nuclear facilities offline 996 00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,320 our nuclear weapons capability being 997 00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,160 taken offline by them 998 00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,480 of course someone like corso is not 999 00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,800 surprisingly going to interpret this as 1000 00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,119 a hostile act because if it were the 1001 00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,800 soviets doing that of course he would 1002 00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,960 draw that conclusion so in some ways 1003 00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,280 he's conflating the two and i think 1004 00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,280 that's where he goes wrong again it's 1005 00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,440 somewhat understandable based on him 1006 00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,520 being a man of his time but i still 1007 00:38:01,829 --> 00:38:00,079 think it's an ill-advised conclusion to 1008 00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:01,839 draw 1009 00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,000 all right so in conclusion what can we 1010 00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:06,400 confidently say or fairly confidently 1011 00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:07,119 say 1012 00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,880 actually happened at roswell in 1947 1013 00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,800 i'm comfortable saying an anomalous 1014 00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,560 craft was involved 1015 00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:16,240 i'm comfortable saying beings were 1016 00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,359 involved 1017 00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,280 and the american government initially 1018 00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:21,200 acknowledged and then covered up this 1019 00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:22,400 fact 1020 00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,400 against it nor could even understand it 1021 00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,160 comprehend it really 1022 00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,320 suggests that part of the secrecy 1023 00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,240 involved not wanting to broadcast 1024 00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:34,320 vulnerability and ignorance to the 1025 00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:35,359 public 1026 00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,280 which may have caused mass panic at 1027 00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,680 worst and undermine government authority 1028 00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,359 at best 1029 00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:43,040 ultimately i draw the line between 1030 00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,760 objective observation of phenomena the 1031 00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,240 craft the beings the telepathy the 1032 00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:50,480 manipulation of our nuclear technology 1033 00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,440 etc from the interpretation of what 1034 00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,520 these various elements and events 1035 00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,359 therefore imply 1036 00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:59,599 about these others origin and their 1037 00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,760 ultimate agenda 1038 00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,839 now without question we owe colonel 1039 00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,320 corso a debt of gratitude for making all 1040 00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,640 of this public for redeeming the claims 1041 00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:10,640 of ufologists throughout the 20th 1042 00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,839 century that there really was a there 1043 00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:15,359 that we were being visited by 1044 00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,160 non-conventionally human intelligences 1045 00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,160 who wielded technology that made our 1046 00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,560 best efforts look a bit like children's 1047 00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,880 toys in comparison 1048 00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:26,880 but we also must remember that colonel 1049 00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,079 corso was a man of his time as i said a 1050 00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:32,720 man born in an era of conflict between 1051 00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,119 warring human civilizations 1052 00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,880 first with the germans and japanese and 1053 00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:38,880 world war ii and later with the soviet 1054 00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:41,839 union as part of a cold war that lasted 1055 00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,040 decades 1056 00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:45,680 and as such he was likely prone to 1057 00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:48,640 seeing all non-american actors and their 1058 00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:51,839 actions as hostile to the point where he 1059 00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,480 seemed to simply ascribe to these others 1060 00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:56,880 the very mentality of our nation-state 1061 00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,680 adversaries of the time 1062 00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,760 ultimately it's these unquestioned 1063 00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,839 assumptions and the interpretations they 1064 00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:06,240 gave birth to that i am calling into 1065 00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,440 question 1066 00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,680 but of course colonel corso is not the 1067 00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:12,079 only one guilty of this all to human 1068 00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,359 tendency 1069 00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:15,040 we are a species quick to draw 1070 00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:16,880 conclusions because at times in our 1071 00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:19,760 history this was necessary for our very 1072 00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,240 survival but when it comes to trying to 1073 00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,880 make sense of the sheer bizarreness we 1074 00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,040 see evidenced in the so-called ufo 1075 00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,920 phenomenon where very different species 1076 00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,160 with entirely different biologies and 1077 00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:34,240 histories are in play 1078 00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,319 this is a tendency we should do our very 1079 00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,800 best to resist 1080 00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,119 as i frequently say let's do our very 1081 00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:43,280 best to objectively observe what's 1082 00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,000 happening let's collate the data looking 1083 00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,720 for potential recurring patterns 1084 00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:51,440 possibly identifying the signature of 1085 00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,160 different actors and agendas within the 1086 00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,200 totality of the ufo phenomenon 1087 00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,079 and let's only draw firm conclusions if 1088 00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:02,880 and when there is overwhelming evidence 1089 00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:05,920 in the data suggesting we should do so 1090 00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:12,309 and on that note we come to the close of 1091 00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,079 another edition of the point of 1092 00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,000 convergence podcast 1093 00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,240 if you'd like to support this podcast 1094 00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,760 you can do so by going to patreon.com 1095 00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,000 exo academian 1096 00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,240 but until next time friends from deep 1097 00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:28,160 within the blue ridge mountains of north 1098 00:41:31,510 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